The Odious Ones

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The fact that the number of mohammedans in the UK tend to come from a certain racial background does not change this fact. The issue under discussion is not the wholesale persecution of a religious minority — which IMHO is not the case, but the politically motivated restriction of freedom of thought of those who are capable. I expect to see pictures of him carrying a Tommy Gun and wearing a homburg at the next police hostage crisis. One could argue that a more mainstream party is acting neo-fascist.

However, this arrest is very worrying from a free speech point of view, and no doubt will probably help Griffin and his party at the next General Election.

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It does seem as if the stage is being set for some serious unpleasantness, not just in the UK, but across Europe. The harder the liberal elite denies the problems self-evident to any but the wilfully blind and makes even comment on them illegal, the greater are the chances of a violent backlash. I feel worryingly ambivalent about this.

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But the tinder is pretty dry at present and the liberal establishment seems to be trying damn hard to make it even drier. How does one commit an emotion, rather than be moved by hatred to commit an act? I really do not give a damn about minor points like that. If you think a typo is significant then you are the one who really needs to get a grip. The Constitution ironically was set up to attempt to stop exactly what is going on now, the gradual erosions of your American rights. Why not read the Patriot act, Few if any of the measures would have prevented , the administration already had the intelligence.

You are not free to smoke on the streets of LA, It is difficult to find a bar in New York where one can smoke cigarettes. That is not freedom. Matt, According to my dictionary, one of the meanings of to temper is to to neutralize or soften an attitude. With that meaning my words make absolute sense. The holocaust was so horrific that people tended to soften their anti-semitic views. You are a simpleton. Once they realise that the clever, ambitious, productive people are jumping ship in droves, leaving the eldering and the dross, they will stop the productive people from leaving.

G Cooper, we have said on Samizdata before that there will be violence and I sense it very strongly. First, the loathesome matt, check the spelling Blair is forcing legitimate British people whose ancestors built the nation we have today to accommodate themselves to primitive settlers whose intention is to impose their religion and their habits on all. Traditionally, feel beholden to the host society and are fiercely eager to adapt. But the repellent Blair and his sleazy cohorts have turned this ancient rule upside down, as part of their programme of the destabilisation of society.

I predict the violence will begin in Britain and be taken up first in Denmark, maybe followed by Holland. Not France — although if there is violence against rulers, they may be up for it just for the hell of it.

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The Bushevics are passing laws that they will learn to regret once someone like Hillary Clinton gets into power. The US is no refuge from Rampant Statism. The only real difference between the US and the states in Europe is that we have still reserved the right to vote from the rooftops. In my home town of NYC, I was long amazed that the large number of Eastern European and Chinese immigrants had no effect on the pro-socialist ethos. Probably the same was true of London. Well, at least your government does seem to understand better where freedom of speech is really threatened. Here in Venezuela we got the visit of the french foreign secretary who for who knows what material gain endorsed a regime quickly becoming odious.

I must say that rarely have I felt more embarrassed of my French origins. What on earth makes you think democracy is the issue? A tyranny of the majority is still a tyranny. What we need is a liberal constitutional republic in which large chunks of civil society are placed off limits to politics and that includes democratic politics. Being as how his writings were a significant source of sterling income from the dollar area, his departure was viewed with displeasure by some.

Questions were asked in the House of Commons, primarily complaining about why he felt compelled to leave. Of course, in the long run, the goal was achieved by the tyrannical imposition of currency controls, which effectively banned any significant export of capital. Apologies for the pedantry, but the correct spelling is loathsome. Before anyone else tries to correct a spelling, a visit to http: You guys should get a grip. That act covers words or acts which are intended, or likely, to lead to violence or public disorder.

In other words, incitement to racial hatred is included in the legislation because it is considered to create a climate likely to lead to violence, whether or not this is explicit in the actual incitement. The legislation is very far from perfect, and should probably be modified or scrapped, but the target is clearly to stop violence by stopping the spread of racial hatred that feeds it. Not only that, but many countries have similar legislation, including Australia racial hatred act of , Canada, and even the dear old United States various hate crimes prevention acts.

And What about the General Assemby? Then there are the Treaties. Big Brother is alive and well in Brussels. Which were enacted by states, and when challenged and they will be , will be declared unconstitutional. Our legislators can pass all of the stupid laws they want, whether they pass constitutional muster is a different matter entirely. The incitement to racial hatred law is an odd one. It is not inciting people to commit a crime, even a thought crime, that has been made an offence. Hating someone is not illegal in this country yet , but inciting others to hate someone on racial grounds and soon religious grounds has been made a crime.

Thus inciting a perfectly legal act has been made a criminal offence! Anyway, good news about Blunkett resigning but I suspect the onslaught on freedom will continue…. Matte—hope that made you feel better. Next time just try a Fleet enema, save the bandwidth. I was unaware that any state had passed legislation banning incitement of hatred as opposed to incitment to violence.

Hate Crimes legislation is so far as I know still predicated on punishing crimes motivated by hatred of everybody but heterosexual white men with harsher sentences than the norm. And such legislation will have to pass a constitutional test with the Supreme Court sooner or later and will probably be stricken down. The unwritten constitution of Britain does have some advantages of antiquity and tradition, but when those are no longer respected by the moderns, what then? Of course, the quality of American constitutional safeguards is going to depend quite a bit on what the Supreme Court looks like in the next few decades; I would urge my fellow Americans not to be overly cocky about our prospects there.

The scary thing is — In the UK feeling racial hatred is not illegal. Inciting someone else to feel it is. The law is utterly nonsensical. Something to consider here, this may turn into a legal test of the ridiculous notion that dislike of Islam, a belief system, is tantamount to racial hatred.

The arrest of Nick has nothing to do with any law-breaking. This is strictly the result of internal polling by the Labour Party that shows the massive inroads being made into traditional Labour areas in England by the BNP. The recent arrest of Nick will only bolster BNP support. I mentioned here some time ago that many of you would be voting BNP in time……. If anyone reading these comments has access to recent internal polling by any of the major political parties in England, feel free to download them to my email address.

There is a world of difference between laws defining hate crimes which, for the record, I think tend to be poorly worded and unevenly applied, and wholly unnecessary — judges can simply tack on more years for particularly heinous crimes , and laws regarding hate speech. Here in the States, you will likely be arrested if you publicly advocate the death of some person or group, no matter who it might be. But you can spout hateful rhetoric all you want.

Free speech entails the right to say things that other people do not like. Apparently, that is too much for the British government to handle, and so you have no free speech in Britain.

A few people have already pointed out the crux of the issue — a law has been created which makes it a criminal offence to incite someone to carry out an action which is perfectly legal. This is clearly absurd and has a good chance of being declared so in court. The issue now is whether Griffin gets a fair trial, in which case he will be acquitted, or whether political considerations result in a perversion of the course of justice.

A definite page-turner, based on a unique premise. One person found this helpful. Amazon Giveaway allows you to run promotional giveaways in order to create buzz, reward your audience, and attract new followers and customers. Learn more about Amazon Giveaway. Set up a giveaway. There's a problem loading this menu right now. Learn more about Amazon Prime. Get fast, free shipping with Amazon Prime.

Get to Know Us. English Choose a language for shopping. Explore the Home Gift Guide. Amazon Music Stream millions of songs. Amazon Advertising Find, attract, and engage customers. Amazon Drive Cloud storage from Amazon. Alexa Actionable Analytics for the Web. AmazonGlobal Ship Orders Internationally. Jan 11, Kathryn rated it liked it Shelves: This is the story of an odious ogre, whose reputation always precedes him and whose job of pillaging and plundering villages and munching up tasty villagers is always easy since most nearly die of fright before he even does anything.

But, one day, he meets a sweet maiden in a village--one that has never heard of him before.

She treats him quite nicely, in fact. With very surprising consequences! This was a hard o This is the story of an odious ogre, whose reputation always precedes him and whose job of pillaging and plundering villages and munching up tasty villagers is always easy since most nearly die of fright before he even does anything. This was a hard one for me to review.

The Odious Ogre

On the one hand, I could appreciate the talent of both the author and illustrator. But, I'm not sure the style of illustrations was really my cup of tea. Also, I thought the use of language was wonderful but I wonder if some children would find the story a little long or cumbersome there are lots of big words ; not that children should be forced to a one-syllable vocabulary in their books heaven forbid!

Finally, I was a little puzzled over the ending. I can understand the moral or, perhaps, morals of the story on the one hand, and yet I'm not sure it was told in the kindest or most satisfying of ways. So, definitely some pros and cons for me and thus three stars. View all 4 comments. May 16, Dov Zeller rated it really liked it Shelves: This is a fun, funny book about a giant bully who is so used to intimidating people with ease, he kind of self-destructs when someone offers him tea and a muffin instead of hiding or fainting.

I wonder if anyone has tried that tactic with the ogre-in-chief? This book is kind of quick and silly doesn't go too deep into the characters and their motivations, etc. And it seems timing-appropriate somehow given all of the This is a fun, funny book about a giant bully who is so used to intimidating people with ease, he kind of self-destructs when someone offers him tea and a muffin instead of hiding or fainting.

And it seems timing-appropriate somehow given all of the political bullying that, as far as I can tell, has only just begun with the current regime. My six-year-old neighbor brought it with her so we could read it together and we wrote an after reading it, we wrote ogre book together in which the ogre sits down to eat a muffins with a toad in it. Which makes the ogre happy. But then the toad hops out of his muffin, which makes him a bit miserable. I recommend this to anyone who wants to giggle and see a giant ogre meet his match in a muffin-weilding gardener.

Great to have a female protagonist, too. Oct 13, Rachel rated it it was ok Shelves: When I found out Norton Juster, author, and Jules Pfeiffer, illustrator, were back together again for a new children's book, I was thrilled. Their masterly collaboration, 's The Phantom Tollbooth , has stayed with me for years, and I recommend it to everyone I know who either knows the secret of looking at the world with magic, or needs to learn it.

There are a lot of active, descriptive words that can be acted out. The short story focuses on an odious ogre terrifying the countryside and the nice forest maiden whom he meets one day. I feel personally that the story is too short and too simple, given that I know what Juster is capable of in his prose, but I must stay aware that this story is meant for very very young children, and in that light is fun and pitch-perfect.

It is charmant, but it will always be an age-appropriate introduction to Tollbooth , which I still consider the best example of YA literature in the 20th century. Oct 31, Liza Fireman rated it really liked it.

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A story about an Ogre who is extraordinarily large, exceedingly ugly, unusually angry, constantly hungry, and absolutely merciless, and has a pretty impressive vocabulary too. The fun synonyms and beautiful language is part of what you get reading Norton Juster. The giant is scary, and doesn't need to do much to make everybody shutter, so usually his life are easy. But one day he does to a new place, a bit far away, where his reputation did not proceed him.

And there's a sweet sweet kind lady, th A story about an Ogre who is extraordinarily large, exceedingly ugly, unusually angry, constantly hungry, and absolutely merciless, and has a pretty impressive vocabulary too.

And there's a sweet sweet kind lady, that offers him sweet tea. She does not look afraid, or even impressed, with his size, his scary voice, his show off and the fits he throws. He is pretty confused with her reaction, and she with his. It's almost like a duel between fear and kindness. And how this situation is going to end?

Very cute book, and super nice illustrations. Mar 09, Sarah BT rated it really liked it Shelves: The book reads like a fable or fairy tale and it makes a great picture book for older readers. The ogre does eat people, so if you have sensitive readers, this might not be the book for them. The narration is hilarious. The ogre has a large vocabulary "due mainly to having inadvertently swallowed a large dictionary while consuming the head librarian in one of the nearby towns.

At first I didn't like the illustrations, but the more I look at the book, the more I like them. There are two different styles used-one for the ogre and one for the townspeople. It's somewhat subtle but it does make the ogre stand apart. There are also great expressions on the ogre's face and the two page spread showing the ogre trying to scare the young girl did make me laugh out loud. The Odious Ogre would be a great read for someone looking for a humorous picture book to read to 3rd-5th graders as I think they would appreciate the humor and the moral of the story.

Dec 03, Abeer Hoque rated it it was amazing Shelves: Norton Juster and Jules Feiffer, the author and illustrator of the fantastic children's book classic "The Phantom Tollbooth" have teamed up once again, 50 years later, for "The Odious Ogre. The large full colour illustrations are gorgeous - playful, lush, sly - perfectl Norton Juster and Jules Feiffer, the author and illustrator of the fantastic children's book classic "The Phantom Tollbooth" have teamed up once again, 50 years later, for "The Odious Ogre.

The large full colour illustrations are gorgeous - playful, lush, sly - perfectly matching the story. I highly recommend it for younger kids I'd say 3 and up. Oct 15, Marcie rated it really liked it Recommended to Marcie by: Norton Juster's language is wonderful in this humorous read-aloud. I just read it to Don and he laughed out loud 4 times. What a wonderful story for exposing kids to rich language. Upon finishing the first read I thought that even if the kids don't know the vocabulary they will get the story from just the illustrations.

The humor is sophisticated enough to please their parents, but I think the kids will laugh as well. Mar 14, Joan rated it did not like it Shelves: I expected more, considering the author and illustrator. I also didn't realize this was a picture book and was expecting a chapter book like the phantom tollbooth. This was too obviously moralistic and unrealistic for my taste kindness will win out. The illustrations were delightful.

Aug 14, Marsha rated it liked it Shelves: The Odious Ogre is an amusing play on manners, responsibility and courage. The titular beast is a powerful creature, but a lazy one. His easy victories cause him to believe his mighty voice, warrior face and ill temper will be enough to cow his prey. This picture book features the familiar drawings of Jules Feiffer; they tend towards bold outlines rather than nuanced drawings. But his is a well-know The Odious Ogre is an amusing play on manners, responsibility and courage. But his is a well-known style. The moment you see it, you just know: It serves in both silly and serious fashion.

The terrible ogre is a figure of fun, a strawman who is literally and figuratively cut down to size by the one person who refuses to be cowed by him. It also brings home the subtle message of never losing your manners or your temper. Nov 04, Kyle rated it liked it. This is a picture book not a novel like Phantom Tollbooth but I didn't adjust my expectations accordingly. Jan 17, Lynn Davidson rated it liked it Shelves:

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