Symposium and Phaedrus (Dover Thrift Editions)

Symposium and Phaedrus

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So, it must be one of the intermediate class who desires something, because he is neither ignorant nor in possession of what he wants. He also says that man is capable of producing physical and mental offsprings. Physical offspring is ordinary children.

Mental offspring is our achievements in life, and both are produced in pursuit of immortality. This was just a quick review of what happened on that splendid supper and I would happily read the Symposium again in the future. A conversation between Socrates and his friend Phaedrus on love, speech-making, the soul, reincarnation and writing.

Socrates despises desire as a form of excess and that it brings ruin to men in different aspects of life including love and food. Socrates' picture of the soul is a winged form in the heavens with a chariot and two horses following whatever a god it prefers, and that whenever a soul descends to the earth and posses a body it begins to imitate the god it has followed before its earthly birth. On the writing matter, Socrates doesn't approve of whatever is written because in his mind, writing produces forgetfulness and "disuse of memory" and that people would rely on what is written to acquire knowledge rather than experiencing things themselves.

Finally, the scientific way of speaking or writing according to Socrates is to know the truth of what you say, to be able to define everything you say and to know whom to address this speech to. I really find the Symposium to be more entertaining. The Phaedrus is just so rich with different topics and I guess I will have to read it again to ensure my full understanding.

Jan 21, Pierre E.

Symposium / Phaedrus by Plato

View all 6 comments. Jul 26, Nik Kane rated it it was ok Shelves: The Platonic dialogue "Symposium" starts out sounding like a manifesto for NAMBLA then becomes a foofaraw in which the literal and the metaphorical are purposely conflated for rhetorical advantage before finally getting to a half-dozen pages of fairly interesting philosophizing and then degrading into a stroke fest extolling the virtues of Socrates.

Oct 04, Jill rated it did not like it. May 02, Aneece rated it it was amazing Shelves: Like mid-career Eddie Murphy, Socrates lived to provoke. Unlike late-career Eddie Murphy, he died for it, too. Feb 13, Christine rated it it was amazing. I read The Symposium - awesome! Jul 12, Clark Maddux rated it it was amazing.

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Since I have the privilege of teaching a class again this fall, I thought to my self, "Self, what better time to teach one of the best kept secrets of narrative art in the western world? Framed by the comical beginning with Aristodemus believing t Since I have the privilege of teaching a class again this fall, I thought to my self, "Self, what better time to teach one of the best kept secrets of narrative art in the western world?

Framed by the comical beginning with Aristodemus believing that the wisdom of Socrates can be gained through mimicry and the darkly humorous end with Alcibiades raging about the one love he has never had, and foreshadowing the farce of Syracuse in the process , the love of philosophy is made a means to an end.

The chief irony of this reading, of course, is that Plato himself becomes that poetic figure that he would have banished from his own Utopia--a pagan Moses standing on the height of Pisgah, never to enter the world of wisdom of which he dreamed. Esto siempre y cuando se hable en conceptos que dependan de cierta subjetividad. Nov 19, George Simopoulos rated it really liked it. Following his excellent method of Socratic dialogues, Plato discusses the origins, concepts and the kinds of love.

Symposium and Phaedrus (Dover Thrift Editions)

Symposium hangs between reality and myth, with the participants of the dialogues to contribute their own views about love. Through the dialogues, the reader is not overwhelmed by strict philosophical context, but he is given insight to the daily life of the ancient Athenians with short refreshing breaks from the contemplation.

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Phaedrus talks about the concepts of lover and non-lover Following his excellent method of Socratic dialogues, Plato discusses the origins, concepts and the kinds of love. Phaedrus talks about the concepts of lover and non-lover, but also Socrates Plato analyzes the functions of rhetoric and writing and whether an orator or writer should be allowed to implement these functions.

Finally, sometimes as usual the discourses become confusing to the common reader, but the meaning is easily comprehensible at the end. Oct 14, Troy rated it really liked it Shelves: Not a bad pair of dialogues. I've heard Plato was an easy read compared to Aristotle, and this is my first good look at the Socratic method of Dialectic. I got the feel from reading this that it was an English translation of a Latin translation from the original Greek, but Plato's meaning was made quite clear.

I also got a good feel for Plato's arguments, but couldn't help but notice his apparent tendency to put words in Socrates' mouth Rather unfortunate that Socrates never wrote down anythin Not a bad pair of dialogues. Rather unfortunate that Socrates never wrote down anything himself, as it would have been interesting to read an objective record of what he had to say firsthand. Still, Plato's works are the best-known records we have of his teacher so far, and I recommend this book for an insight into the mode of thinking of a prominent post-Socratic philosopher. With some amazing bits on memory and dialogue, I found these two texts really thought-provoking.

But on the whole, there's a lot of tediousness to be gotten through. When you're set up immediately with the understanding that the "final truth" on any subject will rest with Socrates, I found that I read with a significant amount of indifference to what most of the other participants in the conversations had to say, and then very critically about what Socrates concludes. The narrative stuff is gold With some amazing bits on memory and dialogue, I found these two texts really thought-provoking. The narrative stuff is gold, though. I had no idea when I read this that I had Jowett's translation and Jowett wouldn't have meant much to me before Hellenism and Homosexuality in Victorian Oxford: American Thought and Culture in the s.

I read this on my own time, which seems like a strange thing to do, but given its influence on my thesis project later in life it makes sense, rather, that I would. May 31, Jim rated it really liked it. I give this work four stars rather than five only because I suspect the Benjamin Jowett translation is probably too rickety today. Jowett's readers knew Latin and Greek well, and would have no trouble following Plato's arguments. Of the two dialogues, I think the Phaedrus is by far the better, reaching the sublime at times.

I liked it so much so that I will try to re-read it in a more modern translation as soon as I can. A good academic edition, with detailed footnotes. This reflects the percentage of orders the seller has received and filled.

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