Faust 2: Die klassische Walpurgisnacht - Der Weg des Mephistopheles (German Edition)
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One star for writing hundreds of pages, and another for rhyming all the while. The bane of my high school years. Still makes me want to puke up, and a perfect example, why some literature should not be shoved down the students' throat. May lead to life long resentments. Very much like with Shakespeare. View all 5 comments. I personally did not enjoy this book due to the outdated language and unnecessary poems throughout the book.
Having a rhyme and pattern while reading made it harder for me to focus on what was actually happening in each scene because I was too busy seeing which words rhymed and what a word meant.
Honestly the only reason I know what happens in this book is through online sources. Ahora lo entiendo todo. This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers.
Kerstin Behrens
To view it, click here. Classic lovers will probably murder me for giving this a two star. The writting is awesome and if you like old stories written in poetic verses that go on lengthy description about nature and magical creatures this is for you. This is a five star quality work but gets two stars because it was mostly about Helen of Troy and less about Faust. This should have be re-named Helen of Troy meets some guy named Faust.
Seriously, like over two hundred pages just describing the cliffs and walls and courtl Classic lovers will probably murder me for giving this a two star. Seriously, like over two hundred pages just describing the cliffs and walls and courtly architecture of the life of Helen of Troy. Just when you get into this spooky underworld powers that Faust thinks to wield, it cut backs to Helen of Troy and how beautiful she is -most of the story was about her beauty. Also, how does anyone get off calling this a tradegy? Did they read to the end? Or have most people dropped off after hearing about Helen of Troy for the hundreth time.
Yes Faust dies, but he gets saved by like the Virgin Mary and other female saints. Last I checked his soul is being carried into heaven instead of down to hell like it should have been had his deal with Mephistopheles not been fought over by angels. Speaking of Mephistopheles, he's the best character anywhere. I can see why he is considered the most humours character in classic German literature.
What I did learn was that considering how long ago this book was written people haven't changed at all: All the struggles of academic students, the lives of the working class, the attitudes they express, same as now. The Urfaust part of this was better because it was about Faust and not Helen of Troy. I have to be honest with my rating on this one and say "it was ok". Technically, this is a play and is considered to be one of the top masterpieces of German drama, but the fact that it is written in rhyming verse made it difficult to enjoy the story.
When I should have been concentrating on the lengthy speeches and their meaning, I found myself trying to follow the rhyme pattern. Very distracting and very disappointing for me. Either write an epic poem or write drama - you have to choose. Part Tw I have to be honest with my rating on this one and say "it was ok". Part Two, while I'm sure it has its value, was all over the map.
Goethe spent many years on Part Two and it remained unfinished when he died. Goethe fans won't like this opinion, but as far as I could see, he tried to do too much, and diluted whatever power it was meant to have.
I tried to like this, I really did, but in the end I had to accept that Goethe isn't for me. I felt this was a silly, long-winded update of the Faust legend, spare on detail and description, overlong on needless characters and things happening which bear no relation to the overall thrust of the story. Not one I will be returning to anytime soon. Unfaded postcard of a land where any intrusive, ubiquitous Devil comes off as the least tedious of all natives. Jede Szene wirkt abgehackt und hat nichts mit der darauf folgenden zu tun, da auch nie mehr Bezug auf das vorher Stattgefundene genommen wird.
Schade ist dabei auch, dass beide Charaktere passiver geworden sind als im ersten Band. Es ist alles wesentlich hochgestochener und schwerer zu verstehen als im ersten Band, jedoch kommt dies eher durch die nicht-existente Handlung und das nicht-existente Allwissen des Lesers zustande als durch seinen Schreibstil an sich. Denn er wechselt so gekonnt zwischen verschiedenen Stilrichtungen hin und her, streut hier mal dieses, dort mal jenes Reimschema ein und schafft es sogar ab und an, mehr als nur einsilbige Reime zustandezubringen. Letztlich besitzt Goethe ja auch keine wirklich schlechte Grundidee.
Mikro- und Makrokosmus werden schon im ersten Band angesprochen, daher ist es nur logisch, dass Mephisto sich nun mit Faust auf eine Reise begibt, die kein Mensch je durchleben kann.
Faust 1833
Obwohl der erste Teil nicht allzu schlecht ist, kann Faust II definitiv nicht damit mithalten. CliffsNotes for Faust are available online: At the beginning, I liked the language of the poem; it had a nice rhythm and was enjoyable to read. I'm sure the original German is even better. But I couldn't get into the story, and the longer it went on, the more tedious it got. My copy only had part 1; maybe part 2 is better, but I don't feel like tracking it down at this point. Faust's deal with the devil makes no sense.
Mephisto wa CliffsNotes for Faust are available online: Mephisto wanted to make a deal that he will give Faust a lifetime of happiness, if Faust in return will serve him in hell after he dies. Faust turns him down and makes a counter offer: He says he doesn't believe Mephisto can make him happy, but he invites him to try, and says that if Mephisto succeeds in making him happy, let that be the moment of his [Faust's] death.
Even if he doesn't believe that Mephisto can make him happy, why make a deal that has absolutely no benefit to him no matter how things turn out? Then, view spoiler [I don't understand why Faust decided to seduce and then abandon Gretchen. At the beginning, he says he loves her, and he seems to honestly feel that way.
If that's the case, then why not simply marry her and have a nice life together? I relied heavily on CliffsNotes to try to make sense of this, and while it provided some interesting insights into the background of the poem, it did not clear up the issues I mentioned above among others. Faust was victorious over Mephisto because, despite his errors and frustrations, he never lost his faith in life's essence and continued, in the face of adversity, to search for something higher than himself which alone could give his existence meaning. Like I said, I never read part 2, and it's possible that might have made a difference, but I just couldn't follow a character who makes totally illogical choices for no apparent reason.
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It was also very unclear how much time was passing in between each scene change. In a couple places, Gretchen mentions how she hasn't seen Faust in ages, but it is unclear how long that was, and in most cases we don't even get a vague suggestion of time passing; we're just supposed to "know" without any kind of clue?
Two stars for the pretty language. I can appreciate and admire the skill of the poet even if I don't like the poem. But if there's supposed to be a plot and characters, they need to make sense, otherwise it all falls apart, no matter how beautiful the stanzas. To be brutally honest, I was disappointed with Goethe's Faust. Forgive me, but I will be blunt. As a character, I found Goethe's Faust, to be underdeveloped, without a real demonstration of the supernatural gains from his wager with Mephistopheles.
Faust seemed to be just a brick in the wall, occupying a relatively insignificant place when surrounded and overpowered by an excessive tan To be brutally honest, I was disappointed with Goethe's Faust. Faust seemed to be just a brick in the wall, occupying a relatively insignificant place when surrounded and overpowered by an excessive tangling of historic, political, cultural, mythological, religious and literary allegories, often given form in various characters , employed for the sake of employing them, and as the subject matter to show case a variety of poetic devices.
The mythological fiasco, I found intriguing because of my interest in Greek mythology, but much of it seemed irrelevant and I quickly found it tedious. The life and journey of Faust was a rushed psychedelic trip involving history and culture, paradoxically drawn out because of Goethe's crammed-in allegory. I'm a fan of allegory, yet the plot falls victim to allegory, and this is what I found most unsatisfying with the text.
Allegory is all well and good, but it should shine through a plot, not overshadow and compromise it. Hence I found almost everything in the book to be disjointed - the events poorly tied together. The result is that Faust becomes disembodied from the story, because there is no real story, but a hodgepodge of 'events' roughly stitched together. I'm comfortable reading classical literature, plays and poetry alike. Goethe's Faust tries too hard, in my opinion, to be a classic and a vehicle of allegory to cover the whole panorama of the West, biting off more than he can chew, and producing a work that falls short, with an underdeveloped protagonist and a disjointed plot.
I do not doubt it is better in German, but my critiques remain unaffected by translation. It is for stylistic reasons that I give 2-stars and not 1 - yet, as a story, I would be tempted to give it 1 star. In my view the text almost deserves three stars, for the sheer fact that Goethe shows great wit, ambition, knowledge, humour and creativity, in composing this work, and that I admire. But such admiration is not enough for me to pretend that I found this work to live up to its reputation, or to be a well tied-together story, hence, 2 stars it is.
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In the final act of Part 2, I came to a plausible realisation that Goethe was projecting himself into the character of Faust. Both main characters are scholars who have grown disillusioned with their search for knowledge and make pacts with the devil; his service for the remnant of their lifetimes in exchange for their service for an eternity in hell, and of course realize this is a lopsided bargain much too late.
Doctor Faustus was better.
Two stars for the pretty language. That was a good scene, and chilling. This review has been hidden because it contains spoilers. It was also very unclear how much time was passing in between each scene change. And then he just screws her over and flits off to some orgy. I can see why he is considered the most humours character in classic German literature. And that's where part one ends.
Faust is disappointingly sluggish, stuffed with dull poetry and c A tragic play written in the s, Goethe's Faust bears many resemblances to Christopher Marlowe's Doctor Faustus. Faust is disappointingly sluggish, stuffed with dull poetry and crummy rhymes, difficult to follow, and has all kinds of Latin to translate. It's also as sexist as you'd expect a work from the s to be, with the full gamut of a young woman being seduced, impregnated, and then not so much abandoned as forgotten by her lover.
He apparently just had other stuff to do for a year. At least Goethe is sympathetic to her. Any other race is most noticeable by its absence. I suppose this is all standard fare for books of that era, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Really I feel that if you've read one of these books you could check them both off of your to-read list, and that if you haven't read either Doctor Faustus will keep you more engaged. I think I am amazed that i have read this book, it was not my style, but I wanted to give it a try, because it is a classic and I wanted to know what it was about.
I did not like it, way too much poetry, philosophy and not much of a coherent plot. The time thing confused me a lot, at one time Faust just met Helena and all of the sudden they had a son that wanted to go to war and in a matter of seconds he was dead and Helena was gone and Faust went on another adventure. Hope I will read this book I think I am amazed that i have read this book, it was not my style, but I wanted to give it a try, because it is a classic and I wanted to know what it was about.
Hope I will read this book in the future when I will be able to enjoy it and understand it fully, this time I just wanted to know what Faust end was, if his pact with the devil was bad or good. And the question is: If I would have the chance to make a pact with the devil, what would my answer be? Yes, a mind and soul filling life on earth, with a terrible afterlife or I would say no and just accept my mediocre life.
For now I think I just might say yes to greatness.
Faust by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (2 star ratings)
I just don't like this verse stuff in general, although I think poetry has a place in storytelling, I am not sure storytelling has a reciprocal place in poetry--I find epic poems and verse taxing to read and without the linguistic or emotional payout of the metaphor of pure poetry and I am not pretentious enough to give this 5 stars because it's one of those books to which the pretentious give 5 stars.
Alright, the human desire for knowledge or fulfillment and not thinking of consequences and I just don't like this verse stuff in general, although I think poetry has a place in storytelling, I am not sure storytelling has a reciprocal place in poetry--I find epic poems and verse taxing to read and without the linguistic or emotional payout of the metaphor of pure poetry and I am not pretentious enough to give this 5 stars because it's one of those books to which the pretentious give 5 stars.
Alright, the human desire for knowledge or fulfillment and not thinking of consequences and then being upset when you are punished for crimes, but I didn't really gain much by reading this. I didn't find myself wanting to dig into what was being said. I always end up wanting to like this kind of stuff much more than I do, and so I feel wrong to give this 2 stars because it's not like it's BAD , but I just don't like reading this verse stuff.
I'm really torn on this one, I really want to give it 1 star, but the literature student in me says the "this is such a masterpiece in literature history, it's a shame that you couldn't appreciate this divine piece of work", but alas, I really did not like it, and right now I'm not even able to appreciate what Faust did to the literature either. Part 1 is acceptable, and understandable, but not my favourite cuppa' tea. Part 2 on the other hand where such a abstract mess that I just read things wi I'm really torn on this one, I really want to give it 1 star, but the literature student in me says the "this is such a masterpiece in literature history, it's a shame that you couldn't appreciate this divine piece of work", but alas, I really did not like it, and right now I'm not even able to appreciate what Faust did to the literature either.
Ugh now I need to take a break from these works, because my brain can't handle it anymore. Running with the devil turns out to be a lot less fascinating than anticipated. Suspected something amiss, perhaps with my brain? Cuz for a smart guy like Faust, things really fail to add up. Forever divided from absolute knowledge! Because they're worms, see, and Faust would rather kill himself than liv Make good choices!
Because they're worms, see, and Faust would rather kill himself than live a worm. Faust s'posedly does know a lot, and is admired. His friend is all like, at least you tried, man! Then Faust goes home with a weird stray hound from hell and starts editing the bible? The balls on this guy. Faust says what he really wants is to know is everything, maybe like a supernatural being would. I'm pretty certain Wagner was dying to be his wingman, too.
If he were going to be honest with himself. And tho he's more fun than Faust, which made me welcome him onto the scene, I'm not at all clear what Faust thought he'd be getting out of this demon? For whatever reason, Faust is super eager to go all art of the deal with the devil. I guess he hopes to get high on enlightenment? But what he actually seems to get is permission to go low.
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Kierkegaard ging auf ihre geistige Verwandschaft ein: S Bach in Beziehung zu stehen scheint. Unsere Konferenz soll die musikalischen Quellen von Goethes Faust neu untersuchen und die musikalischen Dimensionen seinen Erbes sondieren. Diese Konferenz sucht neue Perspektiven zu all diesen Aspekten.
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