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If you hear the apprentice school is closed do not get too excited they only closed the school for ONE month. So if any of the 17, journeyman carpenters working in St Louis know of any jobs available please let me know. I was the one that wrote in 9months ago and started this forum. I will be looking forward to hearing from the 17, union carpenters employed in St Louis at this time, I am sure you will not let us down. What is it about? Who is in charge? What time does it start? Please let me know. Shuttle buses will start at 3: The letter said "they will address the inexcusable and intolerable tactics used by the carpenters against the IBEW and other unions" Mr.
Nelson said some things that were in the labor tribune and st. Louis paper that have several people upset. I'm guessing the Carpenter big shots were not invited. They are expecting a large crowd. Crowbar53 in Roseville, Michigan. Too bad I didn't hear about this sooner. I would of come and I'm from Detroit. Over 20 years in the Union and no one in the local gives a damn about Journeyman,yet our school still runs at full speed for Apprentices.
Fpchas in Bensalem, Pennsylvania. I am a union carp and I just got out of my time and the only way that I have gotten any hours is by yes kissing butt by doing Pickett lines. I live in the burbs and have drive into the city and pay for gas and parking to get a few hours down the center it is all a bunch of crap we all see our BA's guys working and not having to do the lines it is indeed bull. And every meeting I go to all I hear is oh just wait brother it's gonna get better it will come back just as big as before.
Well I've been waiting for almost 2 years to work steady and about to lose my unemployment so someone please let me know what I should do. I can't quit cause I'll have to pay back the grant for school I'm in a no win situation. Work right now is really BAD! We have never seen it like this. A company that my husband started out with 30 years ago normally has people working they are down to 14! My son is an electrician and journey men are sitting.
I don't have any answers for you, but I wish you the best of luck! We to hope that things turn around SOON! Ryan in Reading, Pennsylvania. Fpchas in Bensalem, Pennsylvania said: I feel the same way!
Im a union carp. I found a way to make another income stream aside of carpentry. It helps me if you're interested let me know!? Ryan in Reading, Pennsylvania said: Hey Philly carpenter 7 yrs and been out 5 months and does not look like i am getting back soon. So could you share your ideas?
Vince E in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. There's a clause in that contract. Only if you go into a non-union contractor, or become a contractor and do not employ union labor do you pay that grant back. Otherwise, if they can not provide you the necessary work you need to survive, and you go into another field, your in the clear. I taled to Gerry Coghlin and Mike Griffin, they are very understanding. I havn't been working steady for 2 years. I am taking a CDL course. I am planning on becoming a driver for the state.
Crowbar53 in Clinton Township, Michigan. Good post to this problem, Vince. But you missed on one important problem. The UNion can say all the things it wants about "Don't worry things will get better". Sure, an Apprentice or just in Journeyman may get work but wait till your 50yrs old they leave you twistin' in the wind.
Until the union or U. Here in Detroit, younger guys have to work till age 60 or have 85 points to qualify for full pension. Crowbar53 in Clinton Township, Michigan said: I wish all of my brothers from Detroit the recovery you deserve.
I understand there are no jobs, and that no matter what the union leaders tell us, they are still getting paychecks where as we are not. I have to, and I have to do what i have to do to survive, just like you do and fpchas does. I sere my Union Leaders work hard because they are right by my side when we Hand bill, Picket, Petition Senators to pass pro- labor bills that benifit the union. I just sent out 14 letters to News stations, poloticians, and even President Obama and Vice President Biden about a company we know uses illegals.
I recently viewed a video on Youtube. You can view this too. Just go to Youtube. I find the title very ironic. This is certainly not inspired living in my eyes! I am also sure that many more laws are being broken here. I am a Carpenter by trade, and I have worked very infrequently over the last two years. Two years ago I was at the age of 23, and at the top of my game. I was ready to become a first time home owner when I heard that my company was going to begin layoffs. I stopped looking to buy a home, and figured that when worked picked up a little bit I would look to buy again.
I am now 25 and dying to leave my parents home and get out on my own.
Many people I know are in similar situations and now we have companies like Forcine keeping me and many other LEGAL tradesman out of work, and in serious doubt about when their next paycheck will come in. This is not the America I believed in once upon a time! It is not right at all. Please, I beg you, make this company pay. Send the people who know about and participate in these practices to jail, and make an example of them! More than just a recession, for the middle class and people below the poverty line, this may as well be another Great Depression!
I am tired of going job site to job site, taking placement tests, training courses, going through background checks, getting certificates and licenses, and paying good money for all that stuff; then being told that I am not getting the positions I worked so hard to get.
There actually is a shed outside there they hang out to beat the heat while they wait for contractors to pick them up. I feel America needs to crack down on these companies as soon as possible, for when they fall, the good name of out tradesmen and tradeswomen will be saved! When our American Citizens are put back to work, the country will prosper once again. Carpenter in Taunton, Massachusetts. Do union carpenters sit around all day complaining that there is no work on the computer? Carpenter in Taunton, Massachusetts said: How about the BA's taking a pay cut, the more work they get us, the more they make.
I am sick of the brotherhood reaching in my pockets all the time, welfare benefits are better and we all better forget about a pension! Vince E in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania said: I cannot believe you are buying their propaganda. Less work, they take more out of our benefits so their standard of living is not affected! We do not work for the Union Councils, they work for us! We need to stand up together and force them to make change.
I guess most have not figured out the union works on fear and intimidation, just like the mob. I urge all of you to tell your leaders to start getting us work or else we will demand Federal Investigations into their activities. How do you like that Boyce and Coryell? The carpenters need to take lessons from the other unions; how to look out for each other, protect your work and a real book that you sign for work! But then again Colin Powell says it's okay to hire illegals to work on his house, they do the work no Americans want to do.
You like most people have the impression that if you work with your hands you are too stupid to get a real job. I guess we are stupid because the majority of us are honest and hard working. Maybe it's time for a lawsuit against the union leaders for breaking the contract we signed when we joined. They have a responsibility to provide work, not tell us about how much the union is hurting! Ooh no,now we are calling our leaders out by name?
Franz in Wayne, Pennsylvania. The thing is our union has gotten away from us. Where is the democracy? There are the carpenters who do the work and there are the other guys who drive around in crown vics. Who earns the money that keeps the union alive? Who earns the money that fills the pension fund? Assuming there is any work, who sits home waiting on the fulfillment of hollow job promises while the half rate carpenters get to work on union jobs?
Now more than ever carpenters need to stick together and protect their organiztion. It starts with good communication. He who can't hear must feel. How could this be achieved? One way would be to set forth a Date and time on this website then when the numbers are strong enough and everyone is on the same page. Every Union Member on the same day sends a letter and an e-mail to Every member in the committee in their local and in their Region from the top down to the B. A's to let them know were organized. This would cost less to do then paying your dues. Let them know That we will not pay our dues till these issues are resolved.
I don't know about your region but mine has 65, Plus carpenters and I would say close to half of those are Window E out of work right now. I am not sure how many Regions their are but if we all get on the same page and send letters and e-mails on the same day and flood their posh cushy desk jobs. Telling them they have till the end of the month or were taking away their allowance we give them every month "our dues". If you are working now and a true Brother you would let your dues slide that month or so to help your struggling brothers It should not hurt your standing I have done it for before.
It is Halloween right now leave a message with your support that you will check back here on Nov 31 one month from now and tell a few of your working brothers to do the same. I know some of you old timers have a black book that can choke a cow get them on here.
Get on the same page then react as one come on people step by step! If Every one of you who were shaken up enough to come to this kind of website and take it as far as posting on here were to take it one step further and get a letter together buy a bream of paper at staples. Then take them down to your local and every other local within driving distance of you. Give them to every carpenter that goes into the local for the out of work list and the apprentices in school that are out of work and tell them to check out this Web link maybe we could get the numbers required to make a difference.
If anyone has any other ideas feel free to help. So go tell 15 union carpenters to show their support by posting on this thread by Nov 31 and by then maybe a few of you guys or your wife's can come up with a few Nation Wide letters and post it on here so that we can all choose the best one and send it to members of our commitee's when we decide on what Future date we will all send the letter at once to these crooks and start to take our union back.
Again if some of you could share your wisdom in a letter to Our Local's,Our Regions and the brotherhood as a whole we might have a fighting chance. If not then don't expect the ones in power to look out for your best intrests. They have proven time and time again their greedy. Don't ever forget that you do not have a boss you are a Union Carpenter. You don't work for The General your just a body to them. You don't work for the Sub your just a body to him and will be let go The second the forman's cousin needs a job.
The Local works for you because you pay their Salery out of your dues and package. I'm a bit concerned about all the widespread union layoffs taking place. My son in law is a union carpeneter here in NJ. He's been laid off for a good 18 mths. Sure they bring him back in here and there for a week or 2, but nothing staeday.
He's now talking about moving to Indianna to find work. Is this gut just blowing smoke up my son in laws chimney or what? Thanks for any info. Stop the influx of new apprentice 's Do not hire one more Apprentice till every existing Journeyman and Apprentice is working. I know they could do this because Las Vegas was giving 2 year credit for one pension year meaning if you were some of the lucky few in Vegas you worked 15 years and pension out for 30 years.
We would still have enough 15 year plus experienced journeymen training the existing apprentices and everyone would be working within 5 years. As it stands right now the Union could not do this because The influx of apprentices is what is paying the bloated pension fund. And they can not sustain adding 20 year plus Journeymen to the Pension or it will for sure collapse.
The only true way anything could be done is if every Carpenter and apprentice did a walk out on our Unions Pay no dues then when the Union came to the table we were prepared and together we set forth to preserve Our Union not Theirs Our Union. But we all know this will never Happen because our union is not a true Union We are not united.
Let's be real How many Union meeting were you at last year. Also The Race issue plays a part because it divides us so they can conquer us. I have been on enough jobs to know There is the good ol boys network and The mexican Connection. Brothers friends and in laws of both groups get on the job first after they hire a few Carpenters like us to fix the F-up's of their family and friends.
The union use to be something To be proud of now I don't tell anyone what I do because I am embarraced to be part of it. It's not quite at the level of a day Labor yet Step By Step people Step One Unite Until The Mexican's and the Whites and I only say this for my region because that is the ratio get on the same page and realize as a group White, Mexican, Black, Asian every color under the sun that the brotherhood needs to be protected not torn down and abused So if you see this and you want to be working on a Union job site now and in the future then Don't hire your brother in law before me.
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