Learn To Drive: How To Parallel Park & Other Manoeuvres (How To Pass Your Driving Test Book 3)

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The amount of lessons you need does depend on the individual person though, as I said it took me around 30 lessons, but one of my friends passed after 17, although his mum was able to teach him outside of lessons also. About things that you need to be taught The 4 manoeuvres turn in the road, reverse around a corner, parallel park, bay park. Major right turns trip a lot of people up - including myself - some can be very hard to position yourself in the middle of the junction, and there are different ways to carry them out Emergency Stop Independent driving this is very straight forward Roundabouts - depending on where you take your test dictates how difficult this could be - where I took mine there was a very large double roundabout with pedestrian crossings in the middle.

It could be a nightmare at times.

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Dual Carriageways My instructor also took me around specific test routes that may be my driving test route so that I was aware of any problematic areas. I think 25 - 35 is the average for someone who has not had any experience. God luck with it all! Follow 12 Original post by Shezzle Are there any driving centres that are both driving schools as well as an examination location? Follow 13 Original post by TheMcSame Honestly, private instructors are probably better tbh. They've been good enough at their job to run their own business.

Granted, there are rouge instructors out there, but even the ones from the driving schools like RED and AA teach things wrong. Follow 14 Original post by Shezzle How do I look for good private instructors? Jaydude Follow 9 followers 11 badges Send a private message to Jaydude. Follow 15 Follow 16 I was the worst learner, I forgot things often, drove on the wrong side of the road at points, cut corners. I wouldn't bother counting up the lessons and guessing, because some things click better than others when preparing for the test. Follow 17 I did my test without a single lesson. Follow 18 I wanted to be completely comfortable driving before I took my test so I think I had around 50 lessons, took me about a year and I had 1 hour a week so thereabouts.

I didn't have anyone else to let me drive their car for more practice though, and I had zero experience beforehand. Posted from TSR Mobile. Follow 19 Whilst there are many people who do it quicker than that, that figure is the average so there wil be people who take a lot more! Being older does affect the learning period so being young would suggest that you will learn to drive quicker.

However, slightly older learners, motorcyclists and cyclsts can have a better understanding of the dangers and interacting with other road users so they make up time where young drivers might take longer. Furthermore the roads are busier now than they were then and the standard of driving is generally deteriorating simple observation so the average may have now increased.

When I start with a brand new pupil I always point out the average and the likely cost so that they have a good understanding of what might be required. Most of my pupils pass after around 35 hours but not all as it is entirely down to the inidividual. It also depends whether someone is learning to drive or learning to pass the test.

Whilst the latter is usually the goal, there are some instructors out there who try to take you beyond a minimum standard so that not only are you good enough to pass your test but you can also handle almost every situation that you are likely to encounter. This may seem an unwarranted cost but I, and some of my professional colleagues, believe that driving safely should be the goal and not just passing the test.

If you do the former, you will naturally do the latter. Unfortunately sometimes the test does not do the job properly! If you are brilliant enough to pass with just 3 lessons then great but that is the exception rather than the rule. Not doing your theory early enough can also string out the lessons unnecessarily.

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Do you have any savings? Comment by Glyn Marriott posted on on 07 August I asked on 6th July if a candidate on test pulls up to park on the right what happens on test if a car then pulls up ahead and behind the candidate so preventing them reversing two car lengths and at the same time preventing forward observation to move away safely.

Can the examiner advise the candidate when it is safe to move away. This question was never answered although apparently down for mediation and this situation did occur during last years trial. Please can I have an answer. Comment by Anthony Wedgwood posted on on 07 August Whilst I can fully appreciate where it is you are coming from, with your enquiry, I would say that skills learned in other aspects of the candidates driver Training, would assist greatly with this scenario, and therefore should be transferred in dealing with this matter without the assistance of the examiner.

In a real life situation, they may not be in a position to draw upon the assistance of a passenger, especially if parked in a designated bay facing Contaflow with the task of emerging safely. After all, this is a situation we all find ourselves in, having parked on the right in a designated bay.

On that basis, if this is a real life situation, likely to happen post test, then I'd say that the candidate should demonstrate the skills necessary to undertake the eventuality. I am confident that if the correct guidance is provided in dealing with this situation, it should not present itself as a problem for a candidate at the minimum required standard. Comment by Keith Paul posted on on 07 August I, like many other ADI's, am still completely bemused by the pulling up on the wrong side of the road manoeuvre.

I keep on reading and hearing comments like "it's not illegal". Just because it's not illegal, does that make it a safe manoeuvre in a revised driving test which is supposed to be reducing risks, improving driving standards, etc. The Highway Code does indeed state: However, the Highway Code also states: Can the DVSA please advise why we are being asked to instruct our pupils, the drivers of the future, to disregard and breach this rule in the 'General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders' section of the Highway Code.

Also, how does the DVSA recommend we teach this manoeuvre in terms of disregarding the rule. The Highway Code does state: Cutting the number of deaths and injuries that occur on our roads every day is a responsibility we all share. The Highway Code can help us discharge that responsibility". For example, a busy main road with a constant flow of traffic would not be safe or convenient place to pull up on the right. We want drivers to be trained to know when it's safe and appropriate - and when it's not.

If you need any help with your technique for teaching this manoeuvre, you can contact trainers on the official register of driving instructor training: All the rules in The Highway Code still apply, and you should continue to explain when different techniques may or may not be suitable depending on the conditions. Comment by Danny posted on on 08 August I have never encountered this situation as I've always in my 22 years of driving and 8 years as an instructor have always followed the Highway Code in relation to this.

I think the changes are laughable Are we to teach these too. Just hope there's not a terrible accident or cars damaged due to practicing parking manoeuvres in the public car parks, or even a member of the public attacking a pupil or the instructor for being to close to his car. Comment by Alastair Field posted on on 07 August How will the sat nav be attached securely so in event of an accident it doesn't potentially harm anyone in the test vehicle?

The examiner will position the sat nav appropriately and safely. However, due to the design of some vehicles, there will be some cases where we need to mount it to the windscreen. Comment by Alastair Field posted on on 17 August Positioning of a Sat nav on a dash mat safely may be difficult in many vehicles due to the position of airbags. Comment by peter bamforth posted on on 07 August Comment by Valerie Brookes posted on on 07 August Neil announced in his last blog post that we'll be using the TomTom Start 52 for the test: It could be an in-built sat nav, a mobile phone app, or any model of standalone sat nav.

Comment by Steve Burge posted on on 08 August Talking to pupils about sat nav and telling them they they can use a phone app sounds dangerous as while following directions phone calls or txt msgs appear accidents will happen!! Comment by Stevie 5Day posted on on 09 August This has been trialed in numerous vehicles and works extremely well. On occasions, there may be a vehicle where the dash mat is not appropriate, so in those circumstances the sat nav will be fitted to the windscreen.

I want to emphasise that it doesn't matter which sat nav or dash-mat you use for practice however. Comment by Martin Evans posted on on 07 August Thanks for the videos and explanations. I'm surprised a candidate isn't allowed to reverse back out of a bay using the empty bay behind if necessary. Also, why is the reverse bay park only done at test centre car parks? Comment by B Webster posted on on 07 August The video you show of the lady pulling forward into a bay, this shows her going completely over the white lines to get in the bay!!!

If a car was there she would of hit it, is this then seen as acceptable? If yes, why is it not ok when reversing to use an empty bay behind if helpful and safe? Very confusing as you say one thing and show something different. Unless obviously the lady failed her test, in which case all is ok. Candidates won't be penalised for crossing the lines when entering the bay, as this reflects real life driving. This also applies to candidates asked to reverse into a bay and drive out. Examiners will consider whether the car could reasonably be left, in that car park in the prevailing conditions, in that position.

Comment by James posted on on 09 August I find the term "real world driving" scary when talking about teaching and testing learner drivers. In the "rear world" people ignore stop signs, jump red lights, ignore speed limits, ignore lane markings, drive straight over mini roundabouts. Surely learner drivers should be taught and held to the correct standards to obtain a license in a hope to increase the obismal driving standards seen in this country.

And if a driver cant simply park in a bay without cutting the corner where my or your car may be in "the real world then maybe they shouldnt be on the road. Comment by Peter Cary posted on on 07 August Driving forward into the bay are you allowed to cross the lines if not obstructed by vechiles and finish between the lines, then are you allowed to cross the lines departing or are the candidates required to stay within the lines as if there were cars parked both sides?

Will the examiner be advising candidates this is going against best practice and really should be avoided in the real world if possible?

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Comment by Peter Cary posted on on 23 August Willthe examiner be telling candidates that driving forwards into a parking space is going against best practice and should be avoided when possible? The examiner won't be telling candidates this - just in the same way that they don't explain when they should use the 'turn-in-the-road' manoeuvre, for example. To meet the national standard for driving cars, your pupils must know and understand what factors to take into consideration when looking for a safe, legal and convenient place to stop or park, and the pros and cons of driving into a parking space, rather than reversing in.

We're sure that you and all other ADIs will explain what best practice is, to help your pupils meet the national standard. Comment by Michael Rigby posted on on 07 August Will the old manouvers still need covering and could they be asked to cover these on the practical test. Many of the skills involved in those manoeuvres will transfer over to the new manoeuvres. They are still part of the national standard for driving cars, and the car driving syllabus.

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Comment by Angus McFadden posted on on 08 August As I said in a reply to a different blog post, when bay parking was not tested in my area, virtually no instructor ever taught it. When it was first introduced to tests about 6 years ago there was pandemonium among instructors - some didn't know how to teach it, and some refused, choosing to use other test centres instead and forcing their pupils to take tests away from their home location.

It was subsequently introduced to the other test centres and they had no choice, and the only residual problem was that many insisted and still do on practising it in the test centre car parks whether tests are coming or going, or not - and that in spite of centre managers repeatedly asking them not to.

Some instructors will ditch the old manoeuvres even from 4 December Within a couple of years at most, almost none will cover them. Many who try will have pupils and pupils' parents on their back complaining about wasting their money that's happened to me before when someone knew the bay park wasn't tested at the particular test centre and refused to let me teach it to them. DVSA has got to start accepting that it isn't dealing with the ideal people it thinks it is, and that some things have to be forced on them if they are to be carried out. All the manoeuvres should be potentially testable.

It wouldn't be any skin of DVSA's nose if they were, since only one is ever going to be carried out. Incidentally, I suspect that the reason DVSA won't test ALL the manoeuvres is that underpinning all this is the government's previously stated aim to "improve the test pass rate". Having to learn six manoeuvres wouldn't help that at all - but removing two tricky ones and replacing them with something a child could do will. The reason we won't be testing them is because most fatal collisions happen on high-speed or rural roads.

We have to spend a disproportionate amount of time in quieter side roads to test these manoeuvres.

The revised manoeuvres can be carried out more naturally during the test, so we can spend more time on high-speed and rural roads. John, the addition of "high-speed" roads to that list is interesting, since they were argued to be one of the safer ones a while back when the "learners on motorways" argument was raging. Rural roads I agree with, as do the stats, but the stats also show that the accidents are more common at night, and the tests won't cover that.

Two out of three test centres in Nottingham have a token "rural" road i. And getting TO them takes some time, since the test centres are in urban areas. In many cities it's worse, and "rural" means some grass growing in the cracks on the pavement! My argument still remains that by stating they will not be tested, the soon-to-be ex-manoeuvres will not be taught at all. And that will have a far more significant impact on future safety. Comment by Gordon Smith posted on on 10 August Slightly strange unbalanced reasoning, yet you want Instructors to spend a disproportionate amount of time teaching turn in road and left reverse??

Comment by Berkeley Sharman posted on on 07 August I find this most interesting. However - I travel and drive in Australia and there it is illegal to park or drive against the flow of traffic. You MUST park on the left side of the road facing the direction of travel and I think it would be good to introduce this law into the UK for a whole number of reasons. It is safer to park on the left and it means that a driver will be unable to cross any oncoming traffic should they suddenly see an available parking space on the right side of the road.

It would prevent them from looking for spaces on their right and then possibly cutting across two lanes of traffic to claim a free parking space. The same issue occurs when they want to drive off - the have to cut across two lanes of traffic again. The Highway Code advises to not park against the flow of traffic during the day, but in Great Britain, it is an entirely legal manoeuvre. Comment by Jane hudson posted on on 07 August You've just proven that you've done a generic reply This is word for word to the reply above I find this disgraceful We are on the Rd every day teaching,yet we are being made to do a manoeuvre we as professional drivers and teachers deem unsafe?

I'm sorry if you think this is disgraceful, or if it comes across as impersonal.

Both comments make similar points and raise similar questions, and as this is the reason we're making the changes, it would be strange for me to give two entirely different responses or reasons. Comment by James Martin posted on on 08 August AD I's have been duped into the new changes by the loaded questions on the survey. All they needed was a small like to any answer to say that we wanted to change.

If the question was asked do you think changes should be made, the overwhelming answer would have been NO. Once again the DVSA have got what they want, just to justify their stupid changes. Accidents will occur and now we are being pressurised into buying equipment that is TOTALLY unnecessary to be able to drive a car safely. I have driven for over 40 years and never needed a Sat nav.

The standard tells you everything you must be able to do to provide training: Comment by Hilary posted on on 07 August Comment by Findlay posted on on 07 August If the examiner chooses to do the Indy drive the old way i. Following road signs, will it still be for 20 minutes or will that revert back to 10 minutes?

The independent driving part of the test will last for 20 minutes for both following directions from a sat nav and following traffic signs. Using a sat nav will help us to use better test routes with different types of roads. We currently rely on areas with suitable traffic signs - which are often urban and built-up areas. Comment by Peter Norman posted on on 07 August It's a step in the right direction doing it on the move but then going backwards allowing the pupil to pull up Comment by Rebecca Mccall posted on on 07 August Comment by Margaret Houlihan posted on on 07 August The Sat Nav section is possibly one of the better proposals as this driving aid is a useful tool provided it is used correctly.

It is not too late to make changes to the proposal as sometimes what seemed like a good idea, when thought about a little deeper is not such a good idea after all. Personally if it was my choice I would have kept all the manouvres and tested them as per the emergency stop, in one in every 3 or 4 tests. I certainly wouldn't have entertained driving into a bay or parking on the right in a busy road. Most fatal collisions happen on high-speed or rural roads. We want your pupils to spend more time driving on these roads with you, and during the test itself.

This will better prepare them for driving on their own. The revised manoeuvres can be carried out more naturally during the test. As you've pointed out, people do drive forward into a parking bay, and do pull up on the right. We want instructors to continue doing a great job of explaining when it's appropriate, and what factors the driver needs to take into consideration before doing them. The changes are no longer proposals - they will be introduced on 4 December The government decided to introduce them following the public consultation that over 3, people took part in, and the trial of the changes that involved over 4, learner drivers and over driving instructors.

Comment by Mark posted on on 07 August Could you clarify how your sat navs will be set up please? The satnav will be set up using the factory settings.

For more information, you can look at the user manual for the Tom Tom start 52, which is the satnav we'll be using. Comment by Paul posted on on 07 August If the new test is aiming towards real live driving , with new situations. Does this mean less cancellation for bad weather as the test candidate has already drive for an hour before the test time.

As we have also? DVSA has a duty of care when conducting driving tests. We also want to give all candidates an equal chance to be assessed fairly, to prove they are capable of continuing to learn without further supervision. Letting them take their test in adverse weather conditions may disadvantage them. We try and make sure tests go ahead wherever possible as we understand how frustrating this can be.

Comment by John Johnson posted on on 07 August We should all teach how to operate a piece of machinery fully and in any given situation so our students will feel confident in all environments. Comment by Russell Jones posted on on 07 August Which is a relatively simple exercise. Comment by Bob Keeper posted on on 07 August The dash-mats have been tested rigorously, including during emergency stops. The dash-mat will not fall off if the candidate is asked to emergency stop. Comment by Bob Keeper posted on on 10 August The dash-mat we'll be using is a Genius dash-mat.

We've tested this rigorously, and the dash-mat and satnav will not fall off if the candidate is asked to emergency stop. Comment by Mark Camburn posted on on 07 August You aren't restricted to using council owned car parks. You should consider other local car parks such as hotels and retail car parks.

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Remember, it's important to be considerate of the car park owners and their customers so you should vary the car parks you use and move on promptly. Comment by W Brough posted on on 07 August Do the powers that be not know that it is an offence to attach any thing to the front windscreen or on the dashboard if it appears within the swept area of the windscreen wipers?? The satnav will be positioned on the dashboard in a way which doesn't disrupt the driver's view of the road.

Comment by Bill MIchie posted on on 07 August I totally agree with Hugh Scullion that parking on the wrong side of the road should not be encouraged and the more we teach it the more people will carry out the manoeuvre, and, I would presume, the more accidents will entail as it is a dangerous, even for the experienced driver. Furthermore it will encourage the inexperienced driver to park on the wrong side of the road as we are teaching the practice, and at night, with headlights on, the oncoming cars will be blinded. Sorry but I can see no justification for this practice, in fact, I feel that, as in various other countries, it should be discouraged.

Learner drivers need to have the knowledge and skills to do it safely. It's vital they use a safe and systematic routine, including using observations and appropriate signals. Comment by Les Reed posted on on 07 August Hi, Only a very minor thing but When the "pupil" was in the car park, she crossed her arms at one point. I feel that it is important to discourage such a driving habit, as full control is not available at that moment.

I appreciate that many "professional AND experienced" drivers I have held HGV, car and motorcycle licences - for nearly 50 years may feel comfortable deviating from the " or " positions - accompanied by wheel shuffling - but the amount of times I have seen "P" plate drivers getting into a pickle during "slow speed" manoeuvring with "hands crossed", is more than I'd like.

Comment by Alan posted on on 07 August Will the DVSA be releasing information to instructors as to what will be expected for the new bay park and right reverse. I think the vast majority of instructors will be able to determine what is needed and teach accordingly but there may specific checks that the examiner will be looking for. We'll continue making information available between now and the introduction of the changes in December. This will include making the updated guidance that driving examiners use when they carry out the driving test sometimes known as the 'DT1' available.

In the meantime, is there anything specific that you'd like to know that isn't covered in Neil's blog post? Comment by Haydn Jenkins posted on on 07 August I really don't see following the spoken instructions from a satnav any different that following, the spoken instructions by the examiner, therefore it is not independent driving, and of no real world value, following road signs, takes more skill, therefore not all candidates will have an equal test. Comment by John Atkinson-Brown posted on on 16 August Hi Haydn, I recently purchased the TomTom 52 Sat Nav which will operate apparently on "factory settings" according to an earlier reply to a question posted..

I can advise that following directions given by this device is very different from the directions currently given by examiners. Especially roundabouts where the phrase is: Comment by Paul Gurd posted on on 07 August Due to the cost of lessons and the time it takes to get to test standard, how am I going to convince my learners that they still need to learn the 'turn-in-the-road' and 'reverse around a corner' even though it won't be asked for during their tests?

I feel that both manoeuvres are very important, firstly to help with clutch control and steering, and secondly to know which way, and how much to steer when reversing. Learner drivers will all know from friends etc. Can't we just have tests that could do any one of the 6 manoeuvres, then we can justify teaching them? Comment by Bunny Aristides posted on on 07 August Parking on the right: From a test point of view is it acceptable to slow down and stop for oncoming traffic and then cut across when safe, having stopped traffic behind to carry this out? Yes, to carry out the manoeuvre safely, candidates would be expected to slow down and stop if appropriate when pulling up on the right.

Comment by David Harrison posted on on 13 August Hi Olivia, An examiner, an instructor, a parent or friend acting as a supervising driver and probably a learner driver will almost certainly be killed within a fairly short time following the introduction of 'pulling up on the right' to the driving test. Would DVSA like to take this opportunity to apologise in advance to the relatives of those killed or injured? Comment by Dafydd smith Adi posted on on 07 August Hi thank u for the videos,give's me and student's an insight into how new test will work, I noticed when pupil was asked to drive Forwards into a car park bay they went over lines to finish in between the lines, I was under impression u have to avoid cross lines to park like reverse into a bay?

So is okay to do that? Comment by David mayled posted on on 07 August The examiner will choose an appropriate moment to instruct the candidate to sound the horn. This will minimise any risk of causing alarm to others. Every day, I witness selfish drivers cutting across busy roads, often forcing oncoming traffic to stop suddenly, in order to park on the right, and I actively discourage this practice, whether it's lawful or not.

The fact that people do it, doesn't mean we should include it in the test. People accelerate to beat the traffic lights- why don't we include this in the test! I have, in the past, berated police officers from carrying out these practices. The problem we have is bad driver attitudes, and to echo Mr. Sharman, it's illegal in Australia and should be made illegal here for one simple reason: I could witter on all day about this; by the way, I've also witnessed some awful rtcs, involving phones, sat navs and other distractions.

Safe driving for life? There will be times when a driver needs to pull up on the right - and they need to have the knowledge and skills to do it safely. As you've said, you see drivers pulling up on the right every day - possibly when it's not safe or convenient to do so. So that's why we want drivers to be trained to know when it's safe and appropriate - and when it's not. You mentioned that you've also witnessed collisions which have involved sat navs. I'm sorry to hear that - I don't think anyone can underestimate the impact of witnessing the aftermath of a collision.

It's vital that driver training and the driving test keeps up as vehicle technology develops. Using a sat nav will also help us to use better test routes, with different types of roads. But most fatal collisions happen on high-speed or rural roads. Comment by Helen posted on on 08 August I do not see a need to park facing oncoming traffic. Pray tell - when is there a NEED to pull up on the right?

Looking at cars parked or being parked on the right all I see is someone who could not be bothered - could not find another spot in a busy road where you say this should not be done In the quiet roads you suggest this to be done you might as well turn the car around or revers around a corner or drive around the block to get into the same space. Then when you need to leave again being alone in the car you are not likely to have an accident in doing so should you now be parked with other cars stopping there after you. There might be times when it's easier for a driver to pull on the right.

For example, when pulling over to nip into a shop, post a letter, deliver a parcel or even if you live on the right-hand side of the road. Comment by G posted on on 08 August You haven't pointed out any reasons for parking against the traffic, only reasons to park safely with the flow of traffic and cross the road by foot, or turn the vehicle around and park again with the flow of traffic.

I don't understand how something considered by most safe drivers in the UK to be stupid and inconsiderate and in other countries illegal could be made part of our test. The result will be an increase in accidents. I can't imagine it being too long before the test gets changed again. Pulling up on the right is a perfectly legal manoeuvre and carried out every day.

While it is not best practice, it is a fact that new drivers will do it, so it is far better that they are trained to do so safely, rather than leaving it to chance when inexperienced. In terms of the test, the location will be carefully selected, so as to adequately test the skill but in a safe environment.

Comment by James davies posted on on 07 August Corrective shunts will be allowed if required. It's about the candidate's control, accuracy, and observations. Comment by Rod Tipple posted on on 07 August Learners had no choice in the trials and we have seen no evidence to demonstrate their success or relevance?

The argument for change is very weak. Do we now teach how to exceed the speed limits and ilegal parking as many motorists do these things? Its getting more and more difficult to drive as the amount of traffic we have to deal with increases this makes the test more difficult. It seems like change for change sake and examiners not navigating what is that about. What is happening with attitude training and enforcement? There are a couple of things here that aren't actually true, so I want to address them so other people aren't confused.

All ADIs were asked to respond to the consultation, but not all did. Of everyone who responded, the results show that:. You say that learners had no choice in the trials. I'm not quite sure what you mean here, but learner drivers had to register to take part in the trial, and it was entirely their choice to do so. You can view an archived copy of the guidance here: You also say that we've seen no evidence to demonstrate the success or relevance of the trial.

A summary of the research from the trials shows that:. The summary is published online, and the full report will be published in due course: We do not want anyone to teach their pupils how to exceed speed limits or park illegally. As has been mentioned, The Highway Code advises to not park against the flow of traffic during the day. However, it's very important to remember that pulling up on the right is an entirely legal manoeuvre. You also mentioned motorcycle training. You be aware that DVSA and the Department for Transport consulted on a range of proposals to improve moped and motorcycle training earlier in the year.

We're analysing the responses, and the next steps will be set out in due course: But preparing new car drivers is vital. Road collisions are the biggest killer of young people. They account for over a quarter of all deaths of those aged between 15 and We want to reduce that. It's fair to say that we expect ADIs to meet the national standard for driver and rider training, which sets out what you must be able to do and what you must know and understand to provide training: I do not think I have met a single instructor who agrees with encouraging parking on the right - having to teach learners to park on the right.

Comment by Kevin jones posted on on 08 August Latest information on holding the steering wheel suggests and could be more dangerous in accident due to air bags going off , and possibly is safer ,. Steering style is MORE likely to lead to loss of control and a collision. Then air bags may not save lives of the occupants.

Far better to use 'best practice' steering. Comment by Matthew Newman posted on on 07 August Personally I think all 6 manoeuvres should be apart of the test as so many ADIs will stop training people to do the Turn in Road and Reverse round a corner. One thing I would like to see change about the driving test.

The word 'driving test' to 'driving assessment' or something along those lines. Pupils fear the word 'test' and they go in thinking it's either going to be a pass or fail. I tell people they are taking a driving assessment and I need a second opinion to assess if they are safe enough before going complete independent and obtaining a full licence.

Because most fatal collisions happen on high-speed or rural roads, we want your pupils to spend more time driving on these during the test. The revised manoeuvres can be carried out more naturally during the test, so we can spend more time on those other roads. That's the reason that we won't be testing them. However, the manoeuvres are important, and should still be taught - and they'll continue to be part of the national standard for driving and the syllabus.

You raise an interesting point about the use 'driving test' vs 'driving assessment'. How do your pupils react to 'driving assessment' and the way you describe it? Comment by Matthew Newman posted on on 08 August Thanks for replying John, I've already started taking pupils on rural roads and it's great to see people needing to plan ahead because they are thinking 'can they stop within the distance they can see to be clear? In regards to the driving test being called 'the driving test' I tell people to not think of it as a driving test but an assessment.

I tell them that the examiners want to share the road with safe drivers and if they can show the examiners they are safe they will be happy to share the roads with them. So instead of going in thinking it's either going to be a 'pass' or 'fail' they are less likely to worry if they go in thinking 'I'm going to show the examiners I'm safe enough on the road'. It just gets them into a better frame of mind. It's had a really positive impact on people's results. Personally I think pass or fail is too black and white when driving is never black and white it's more grey.

That's one of the advantages to the new part 3. But real pupils are unpredictable sometimes.

I hope I'm making sense. Besides its potentially dangerous for young people to view it as a test because they will more than likely to think 'once I've passed I can do whatever I want, and I've got to learn to pass a test' rather than learn to drive. Thank you John Fish for your support in this very important issue of crossing oncoming traffic in order to secure an available parking place. All Australians know the law so they don't even try to do it and vistors are advised when they collect their rental cars.

I accept that presently it IS legal in Great Britain but I am suggesting that the law should be changed and there should be a period of grace for the message to get across. This blog is concerened about the changing driving test - I am suggesting that we could also improve the overall behaviour of drivers which would lead to a safer environment for us all.

I doubt that this would need a change in Primary legislation and could be done with a simple order in council. What is necessary is to get DVLA to fully consider what I have said and not to dismiss my suggestion out of hand. Comment by Kevin Mears posted on on 07 August I personally do not feel pulling up on the right is ever necessary only lazy.

This should not be used as an excuse to train people to do it. The forward bay park shown in the video shows the driver cutting a large amount of the bay next to the target bay. Good luck finding that many empty spaces in december in a car park. How is this acceptable as would be impossible if only one space is available. When the sat nav is on a mat on the dash and an emergency stop is required who will pay for the cracked windscreen as it flies forward? Many of your replies to comments say we should still train people for safe driving and pass on the skill and knowledge about what is safe, but till it is mandatory to use a qualified ADI how will this ever happen.

Even if it was only to be 10 or 20 hours mandatory to start with it would still get a safer result across the board and ensure skills are taught correctly. You might use it when pulling over to nip into a shop, post a letter, deliver a parcel or even if you live on the right-hand side of the road. The dash-mat and satnav will not fall off if the candidate is asked to emergency stop. Comment by Dave c posted on on 08 August I would love to continue to teach the turn in the road and reverse around the corner but most pupils and parents would kick off paying for something they won't be tested on I don't mind the new Manoeuvers but don't agree with the sat nav assessment I have tried it and find it often dangerous they get confused and start staring at the screen I suppose more prcactise is needed.

Comment by Matt posted on on 08 August Will the reverse on the opposite side of the road count as a manoeuvre, and if not will it be on every test? Pulling up on the right and reversing will be one of 3 possible reversing manoeuvres. The full list is:. Comment by John posted on on 08 August Hi, Will the pupil on test have the option to choose feet or metres distances when following voice commands on the sat nav? Comment by Graham Carroll posted on on 08 August I can't see any evidence that the new manoeuvres, allow the pupil to spend more time on high speed roads, at my test centre we have for years had many high speed roads on routes you've already pointed out that the pulling over on the right will be done on quieter roads.

Also why abort the manoeuvre if a vehicle pulls up behind, the pupil has already carried out the most important part of the manoeuvre and will again when moving away? Revising the manoeuvres will allow more of these high-risk roads to be included in driving test routes, as not all of them will need to be carried out on quieter side streets. Using a sat nav on the test will also help to introduce better routes and different types of roads.

This is often in urban and built up areas. When carrying out the pulling up on the right manoeuvre, it's important the candidate can also demonstrate they have the skill set to reverse back safely and complete the manoeuvre. Comment by Tony Clarke posted on on 08 August This is very interesting reading - but rather shocking. The syllabus is what we are meant to be teaching and we still should. Nothing has changed here.

If ADI's cut bits out because 'it won't be tested' they are simply incompetent. I just wonder how many ADI's teach a right hand reverse round a corner? Yes - of course learners want to get their test in minimal time and at lowest cost. But that doesn't mean it's right! So maybe with better and more training new drivers in the UK would be less likely to crash afterwards. I'm all for testing what drivers will inevitably be doing in the real world. Why not a right hand parallel park?

It's something drivers often have to do on our busy, congested roads. Just learn to do it safely! The whole purpose of a syllabus in other forms of education is that knowledge of it can be tested at some point. Even when I was at school doing 'O' Levels, teachers were focusing and dropping hints on subjects likely to appear in that year's papers. Nicely put Tony, as an ADI since i myself do teach the parallel park on the right hand side, i also teach reverse around a right hand corner as per the old DSA Instructors Manual, both of which are not used by examiners on test.

Am appalled at some of the comments on here from other ""ADI"" and hear the same comments from pupils that transfer to me from other ""ADI"" when they hear from they're friends all the things i do to ensure theyre friends my pupils are safe, some ""ADI"" even insisting they take a driving test in a centre 30 miles away passing 2 equally good driving test centre's just to avoid doing bay parks, i took part in the trials and found them to be beneficial to my pupils and have since the trials finished, continued teaching everything requiredto ensure my pupils leave the test centre safe and confident drivers.

Although the DVSA statistics dont show all my pupils that have passed through learning with me on they're website ""annoyed about that i am indeed, another subject entirely"" i am currently averaging 65 test pass's per annum over the last 7 years, my pupils know from day one that they will be put through for a practical driving test on condition that i know they are safe and in control to be alone in a car regardless of what the parents say.

Comment by James Martin posted on on 09 August Why do you think the right hand reverse round the corner was abolished. Because the DVSA found it to be dangerous to face oncoming traffic for inexperienced drivers. Now they have changed their mind yet again. Comment by Val Clarke posted on on 08 August Hopefully the pupils being put forward for a practical driving test will have been taught the observational skills required for operating screen washers, as per the motorcyclist i am one of these will have good road sense not to tailgate motorist's and be subjected to over-spray from screen washers, it wont reach if a safe distance is maintained.

Comment by Andy McIntosh posted on on 08 August Will you be publishing the sat nav routes for each test centre that you plan to use, as you can cover a hell of a distance in 20 minutes? We don't publish driving test routes - and we won't be making the preloaded sat nav routes available. You should publish test routes, to reflect real life driving. Who on earth gets in a car, having no idea where they are heading? You could always identify a test route road by the number of non-test driving school cars getting in each other's and examiners' way.

Routes were even on sale on some driving school websites a few years ago. If you really want to know test routes, you can sit in and watch where they go, or leave your mobile phone in the car with a suitable GPS app which records the route. Comment by Mr Deonath Gosein posted on on 08 August All of what has been mentioned-makes a need to read them all. One point- As I understand - it is illegal to pk. But we are teaching Learners to Pk. Do you think they will understand the difference. Is the Insurance industry aware of this move. I await your comments. Comment by LB posted on on 08 August I have always parked on the left.

I have been a driving instructor for about 14 years and feel this move is wrong. I know so many drivers do park on the right but if it was made illegal then perhaps it would curb drivers not to do it. I see so many drivers regularly on the highstreet stop the traffic to do a turn in the road ,do you think thats the next thing we will be teaching our pupils.

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